Charity Director

Speaker 0 00:00:06 Hi. Hey everyone. Welcome back to autism on shift I'm Speaker 1 00:00:09 Thora. No, Madam, this week's episode picks up where we left off with our good buddy will. Uh, last year he registered for a CIC, which is a community interest company, uh, where he is trying to help people out Speaker 0 00:00:25 For those who don't know that is the UK equivalent of a nonprofit. Yes. Speaker 1 00:00:29 And who's going to help autistic people, uh, with work, which you'll find out in this episode Speaker 0 00:00:34 To catch the first part of this two-part episode, make sure to listen to will, uh, our interview with will, uh, with the title of carpenter. Join us. Let's jump right in. Uh, is there, Speaker 1 00:00:46 Uh, something that you can say that, you know, Hey, having autism actually really helps me in this, in this place here? Speaker 2 00:00:54 Yeah. So, um, because I set up my, uh, my own CIC, my own charitable company, um, but it hit just as locked down. I mean, I, I got registered on the 16th of March and, uh, two days before that's when the national lockdown came in in England. Um, so what I started doing was I started writing, uh, small pieces on different things, but why I tried to follow a format of, um, well, we've got this aspect of neurodiversity. This is how it affects me. I, how it affects somebody. I know, but this is how you, as a manager or as a company can use it to increase your ROI by doing this, uh, reasonable adjustment. Um, the example I always give, um, I went to a conference a couple of years ago, and this was kind of the thing that inspired me to set my own CIC, um, was, um, the, there's an it development company in Sheffield. Speaker 2 00:01:49 So, you know, Midlands type of area in, uh, in England. And, uh, they do, uh, testing on apps, software websites. They also do the building from scratch and things like that. Um, for-profit company, no problem. Talk to the guy in charge of it, uh, the managing director and, uh, you know, you know, we all, we're for profit you're, we're here to make money. Um, and then you said this one day had this application from, uh, a man that's six foot four. So, you know, I'm six foot and I'd be looking up at him, um, tower or from, so a, the guy came in and he read that this guy put in, in this application, I'm autistic. Okay. So I'll give him a chance because I don't really understand that myself. This is him, not me. Um, but it, so he met with this tall guy, six foot four, and Ian, it got talking to me. Speaker 2 00:02:48 He actually said that he quite liked him, but you having to do a workflow. And you said, how long would it take you to complete this workflow? And the, the, the man looked at it and flicked through. Um, and he says, he soaked through his teeth, like a salesman, selling your, a dodgy car or something and says, um, it nine hours. And, uh, this man said when he was telling the story, he stopped in with it to nine hours, really? And this poor man panic, I'll do it in six. If you really push me. And he said, it's two weeks worth of work. Speaker 2 00:03:26 Now here's where the, I realized about reasonable adjustments. Now this guy being a stunted, it autistic nerd, uh, type of guy. And that's not me putting him down in any way. That is a compliment. Now I consider nerd and geek to be quite compliments. Um, I've got my <inaudible> ready to roll my initiative. Right. But, uh, yeah, we, uh, the caveat though, I had to hiring this guy too, and him having his workforce fast, six foot, four, six foot four tall man. He has to work under his desk with a blanket over his desk. And when, uh, it was told, uh, when this managing director was told us, he said a lot, that'll look weird to the customers. Okay, boy, you are cutting down my workload by almost two weeks. So that's going to save me a lot of money. I'll tell you what let's do it. This, I actually raised the desktop. It's one of those adjustable desks, but, um, RSI. So the raise of the desk, he sits underneath it with his snacks and his red book. Speaker 2 00:04:37 And he sits any codes under the desk for a solid day or two. Wow. But the results of that and this guy, it almost is now converted his company, his limited company into a community interest company, a CIC or a Kik, um, because he almost only exclusively hires people with autism because his return of investment is so high from the hyper-focus nature of autism, a ha he finds out what caveats he has to deal with. There's one guy who's a Gora phobic. He doesn't have to leave his house to do the work. So he's agreed to hire him. He set him up with all the equipment at home. The only caveat that this guy has got is he has to be on the 10:00 AM, uh, phone calls. There's one guy that, so basically this managing director, all of a sudden has to actually manage his people rather than just say, well, here's some targets go and do them. Speaker 2 00:05:29 Yeah. He actually is doing the human resources side of management. And by doing that, he's not only getting an amazing return on investment is giving somebody a chance at that wouldn't necessarily help that chance. And I think that's, that's the hard thing. And that's why I want to move, uh, from, um, uh, awareness to acceptance. And that's, that's a big thing for me. Um, yeah. Uh, and these caveats, just being able to do them or being able to just check in, I mean, I'm, I'm working with a young gentlemen, uh, early twenties, uh, he's got ADHD and he wants to be a Gardner. So I've been working this last year. I said, I'm not taking any money. I'm going to use this as a T as a time to learn how to do this and learn what I need to do. I've been trying to find someone to take them on, but the problem that he's got is, uh, with him having ADHD, you mentioned, he's got ADHD a lot of the time, they'll say, oh, that's just for the head cases. Speaker 2 00:06:27 Uh, people with head cases of ADHD on that. No, they're not, you know, but this young lady is similar autism. He gets hyper-focused and his job, he actually needs to be managed and told he needs to take a break or he needs to have a glass of water or take his lunch or something like that. Um, I'm still working with him, but in the meantime, he's a stepped on, um, we've got the, um, uh, the local park, which is run by a small group of volunteers. Uh he's uh, I put them in touch with her, um, a woman called Mandy Armstrong. And, uh, she's, uh, she's agreed to take him on as the local Parky cause him the, uh, the old guys who were doing it have decided that, you know, they're in there. Some that don't want to have to do it anymore. So he's stepping on this, the new Paki he's, um, there was negative with a local charity. Speaker 2 00:07:19 I work with, uh, the I'm on the board of trustees and we set up an orchard, but nobody took it on. So he's now taken that on. Um, and so he's got it. He's got recommendation from at least two charities, one charitable company. And, uh, I've put him in touch with somebody who can do an application for the access to work. And we're looking to look at seeing if we can get him linked up with, um, an actual Gardner to take them out and make sure that he's not overwhelmed and everything, because at the end of the day, we can, you know, doing all this volunteer work. It's great. It does make you feel good. You're all getting out the house. You're welcome somebody. We need money at the end of the day, we need money and, uh, and not earning our wrong money is, is a real big step. And, uh, that's, that's what I like. I want to kind of be involved with, even if I'm just in the room, having the conversations nice. And, uh, Speaker 1 00:08:13 I think it definitely, uh, I think I'm definitely, definitely going to succeed. It can see that you're the kind of person that can make that happen. And, and I also want to say thank you for the story prior, because I think it really illustrates exactly that everybody is capable and, uh, it, sometimes it takes just something different for somebody to take the time to recognize what's needed to listen. You know, you're saying it's not just awareness. It's, you know, um, it's it's action, uh, you know, at that point of, of, and, and I think it illustrates it well, so thank you for that. I appreciate that if I may Speaker 0 00:08:51 Ask. Um, so from what I understand, you're not, you're not actually hiring people for your business, but you are, um, taking people in and training them and connecting them to people that they need. Right. So, so there's like a kind of an interview process in there where you meet that person. How does that differ from a standard interview in corporate world? Speaker 2 00:09:17 Yeah, so I mean, to a point, um, at the moment I'm not training them, that that is the end goal to set up, uh, to be able to train people up, to give people real world experience. Um, because, you know, we can go into a classroom and makes a make stuff and get a piece of paper that says we can do something, but that doesn't necessarily, we can mean we can do it in the real, um, world of capitalism. Um, and my mom, um, she was the first in the family, you got university and she went in her forties. Um, and she always explained to me, she got like a really good maths degree. Uh, she could went in as a bank manager, but she went and told and said, cause that's what she wanted to do. That was her end goal. Um, she said a degree doesn't mean that you're intelligent. Speaker 2 00:10:06 It means that you can, it's a piece of paper at the end of the day. And it's just a piece of paper that says you can stick at something for a certain amount of time, but yeah, so a degree isn't a be all and end all. I like having one. I like using my letters, especially since I've got a bachelor of science, which, you know, I feel it has that little extra weight. Um, I keep joking with my girlfriend cause she's got a BA and an EMEA. And I keep saying that she says, when she says stuff, I go, yeah, but you've only got an ma, she goes, you've only got bachelor's yet, but it's a bachelor's of science. Speaker 2 00:10:42 Uh, I focused a couple of people, but it it's, it's only it's meant to be nurtured. Um, but, um, so when, uh, when I went around and met this, uh, young gentlemen is, uh, I actually was asked by his mom and dad to come around, uh, to do some design work for the, uh, front of the house, um, to build, uh, an ORC seat with, um, she racks and things like that. And as well as, um, uh, an ORC, a unit to hang their coats on with, uh, a bit of storage now that didn't go forward because, um, they've got a son that's in a, in a wheelchair and they had to change their funds. And I got talking to him about the, the charity I just registered. I refer to as a charity in people who will get funny with me. It's not necessarily a full fledged story, but it's a charitable interest company. Speaker 2 00:11:30 It's, you know, as I say, it's, what's considered probably a nonprofit or anything, you know, it's it's company, but, you know, with, with an intent to help someone. Um, so I just told her about that and, uh, she actually messaged me through my, uh, page. Um, and, uh, the name of the charity I've got is atypical support CIC. Um, I quite like that cause I was watching the short atypical at the time and, uh, I ended up talking, uh, I messaged one of the actors off it, uh, um, an actress, well, was she an actress or an actor? I can't remember what she identifies as, but Tyler Anderson and she was nice enough to actually have a conversation with me. And now we, you know, we text quite regularly. It's, you know, it's quite nice to have somebody in, uh, that works at Netflix and lives and lives in California, uh, you know, heads and goes to Hollywood. Speaker 2 00:12:22 So she's, she's doing all these film events eventually messaged to me. He goes, how was your puppies? Yeah, it's quite nice like that. Uh, like looking into the, um, the name and everything. So, uh, that's why I liked the atypical. It's not your average support. Um, it's not your typical support, but it's atypical. Um, uh, so, um, it's more messaged me and explain the situation I came out and I explained, look at, there are a few avenues. Um, tell me about you, tell me about what you do. Tell me about what you've done so far, uh, to try and get somewhere on your own. Um, and he explained he volunteers on a regular basis at two or three different places. Um, he, you know, he does basic in the local heritage place, which we, uh, it's called Gibson hall. Um, it's part of the national Trisha. Speaker 2 00:13:18 It's run by, um, you know, a national organization to be able to keep the heritage in England and all the rest. And he volunteers there and the fall, uh, you know, he's, hyper-focused goes around and cutting grass, but, you know, um, when he's applied the place, as I say, either gets knocked back or he has to travel needs. He didn't have a driving license and he still doesn't because COVID meant that he hasn't been able to continue on with his lessons. So we'll need some, uh, to take somebody on, but somebody to take them on, but in England, um, we don't have big, well, we've got some big companies, but usually it's small self-employed people who, um, subcontract work when they have like a big job on, um, which is more common, but they are expected to get there themselves. So we need somebody to work with them. Speaker 2 00:14:05 So I've been going around, I've been asking and, uh, I keep looking at different options and I've had a bit of a roadblock. So now that's when I've started pulling in other people. Um, but potentially, um, if, uh, if he wants me to, uh, he could ask me to be his mentor and then that's when I'd get paid to actually support him, um, whether that's going to be the best for him. I don't know. And I'm not interested in making money from him at this point. Uh, I, I just want to see if I can get a success story out of this. That's the, that's the main bit first working out how I'm going to get paid as a different thing. And it's easy when it comes to the woodwork, cause I'm actually producing stuff. And if I had a workshop for the, um, the charitable company, then I'd be able to produce items to, to sell to then, um, the idea originally was to take people on a volunteer basis. Speaker 2 00:14:57 Uh, they come in as if it's work and if I can make enough money, then I can then hire them on a part-time basis and then get them to train somebody else up. And, uh, or if they can't, if I can't pay them, I can leverage that to help, uh, get them into actually gainfully employed and say, well, look, I am a company. Um, but eh, you know, I can't afford to take them on. And, uh, would you be able to, and I'll back you back them up, I'll organize training for your staff and things like that, but you know, the, and that's where I'd be going into it. So that, that was the idea I had to make him money. So I told him right from the very beginning, I wasn't planning on making money from him. So if he doesn't want me to be as mentor, I'll still be there, uh, you know, ask things, um, and all the rest. But if he doesn't, Speaker 0 00:15:43 Well, it's funny. And I think this is something that people don't get about autistic people in general, we are not typically motivated by the same things that neuro-typical people are motivated by. Like you said, money is a, is a secondary thing. It's not what you're after. It's not what it's about. Speaker 1 00:16:02 It doesn't have to come as long as you're doing something. I mean, when you're doing things for the right reasons, I mean, that's, it's secondary, but it's, it, it evolves into that anyway. Speaker 0 00:16:11 Sure. I mean, it's helpful. We all need it. We'll use it. It's great, but that's not what gets us going. That's not what, Speaker 2 00:16:16 Oh, I'm not looking to buy a Ferrari, you know, I'd like a Tesla or whatever. I especially like, uh, especially like the, uh, the cyber truck and I don't care how, um, you know, uh, eh, like father an opinion that might be. But I also agree with that, that, uh, star wars episode one was a good starting point to explain the political side of it. And I think the best equals air Trelegy is the last Jedi. And I'll fight that to my death. But yeah, I will say I had a, I Speaker 1 00:16:48 Was a co-counselor with, uh, as, as a kid with somebody who, uh, just, uh, who's, who's very successful in, in, uh, just, uh, took his family and a private jet over to, uh, Costa Rica or somewhere. And I said, well, you know, that's not too bad, Eric. I could live like that too. Speaker 0 00:17:06 Yeah. But know what, the first thing you thought, the first thing you thought was not, oh, that would be nice. The first thing you thought was how nice for him? Speaker 1 00:17:14 Yeah. I was happy for him. I was really happy for him. Speaker 2 00:17:18 Well, uh, I mean, well, I mean, I've struggled to read and, uh, I like to learn things. I like, like you were saying, I want to learn as much as I can. Um, and I I'll listen to some information. And, uh, they said, if you can't find time to read, download audible. And if you, um, if you, uh, if you commute use that commute time to listen to the book and learn something, don't necessarily just listen to fiction, but listen to non-fiction. So I tried to have like, you know, mostly non-fiction, um, inspirational type of stuff, um, stuff where I can actually learn. And, uh, the latest book that I'm on too is, um, oh, I'm going to have to get the title right here. And I think it's, uh, how, uh, not give a fuck how I'm going to hear it so long of not giving a flying F uh, by mark Manson and then not, he actually talks. And he says, look, we all have money problems. You know, it is a thing. Um, uh, the guy down the street that's struggling to feed his family might have money problems. Warren Buffett has money problems. Yeah. The different types of money problems, but there's still money. Um, eh, okay. Why did you invest in game stock? Speaker 2 00:18:38 Oh, those poor hedge funds. Um, my Speaker 0 00:18:42 Most recent one that I really enjoyed was called the transformational consumer by Tara Nicole Nelson. Um, and it's mainly about, um, a whole new way of marketing because people don't want to be sold anything. They want to transform things about their life, and this is how you help people transform their lives. That's what you make your business about. And I loved it. It was a great book. Speaker 2 00:19:09 Hmm. Yeah. Um, I mean, it's the type of thing that, um, um, um, I'm doing with the carpentry. I mean, especially, I mean, for me COVID and lockdown and the pandemic and everything has been, and I don't mean to be too polarizing here, but it's been really good. Um, uh, I did an interview with, uh, um, Dr. Kitfox, uh, she's been recognized by the national autistic society. She's a, um, a writer and comedian. Uh, she does a lot of poetry. That's how I was introduced to, I got introduced to these people before I realized how important they are as well. Um, yeah. Um, well, for example, this lady, Pam Lawrence, who organizes my funding, I only realized that she was really important because actually read the bottom signature of her email and she's got an MBA. Uh, she's a member of the British empire. So she's, uh, she's met the queen as well and how the sword swung around her head and stuff. And I keep meeting people in that, you know, they are somewhat important, but they actually stop and listen, which is, you know, nice and I'll find out who they are before I actually, um, maybe that's Speaker 1 00:20:13 What it takes to be important is to actually stop and listen. Speaker 3 00:20:17 Yeah, don't get me wrong. Speaker 1 00:20:21 I would like to hear, um, real quick, um, about you were talking before we started recording, you were talking about the building, the community center that you had raised some money for. I just want to hear that story real quick for our listeners, because I think it's pretty cool. Speaker 2 00:20:38 Yeah. So, um, I'm involved in a small, fully fledged charity. So in England that designation is CIO charitable interest organization. I think it stands for, um, registered with charity, eh, um, the charity commission and everything like that. Yeah. Um, and, uh, it's called the Chapo regeneration group. So our village is a small X pit mining village. Um, uh, so the pit closed down in the sixties and it's been struggling ever since, and there's been that bit of community spirit. And so the businesses have been leaving slowly or the small businesses have been pushed out, uh, by larger businesses, um, that come in some, you know, we might have, like, we we've got thing called the co-op and they might have undercharged, um, on bread in the air is in comparison with, uh, the local family run coffee shop. So it's mostly like, um, big companies, uh, and because of that, all the shops have shut and everything. Speaker 2 00:21:43 And, um, there is, there is quite an economic downfall in our village, but, um, uh, I agreed to sit on the board of, uh, trustees a couple of years ago, and then I've taken a year out. Um, there was, uh, uh, the disagreement with one of the trustees and I needed some time to reflect and, uh, I think most more than anything, I think I'd burnt myself out, uh, by being too involved. So I've went back with a fresh attitude of, I'm not going to fix the world, I'm going to fix what I can. Um, and we, we had a bank in the village and it's a single building and everything it's, um, it was Lloyd's bank and they left because there wasn't enough business. So they closed up. But the building's been derelict for the past five, six years or so. Um, well, a few years ago, the council, um, for the building, um, and they were going to do something with it, but honestly they say, oh, well, you know, we prefer it to be community. Speaker 2 00:22:46 I think what happened was they looked inside and realized how much money they were going to have to spend, because it was absolutely awful in there and stuff. So they turned around to us, uh, as the region group and said, if you can raise the funds, uh, to, uh, convert the building, you can rent it for a one pound a year. So like a buck 50 a year, but you've got to sign a 35 year lease, which you don't, you don't have, you don't have a gout clause of, okay. Uh, so that was a bit scary. Um, but when we've looked into it, it's, um, the budget was about 180,000 pounds. So roundabout 220,000. Um, so, um, we've raised that a while ago. We've raised, we've raised the basic to be able to get the building work done and, uh, we're getting the building renovated now. Speaker 2 00:23:42 Um, uh, so the other day the, the surfs came out and cause there's a, there's an actual safe room, but we can't, what would normally happen with you drink a scrap man, because there's that much metal and they take it away and weigh it in. And, you know, it would be quits in for them was as we'd say here, but because they're industrial sips, there's so many banks closed down in this country cause everything's going online or the bigger towns and everything, or do banking through the post office. So they don't need an actual physical brunch. Um, there's an abundance of safes on top of that. They're also filled with concrete to wear them down and especially us. So, you know, cough, cough. Um, so we've had to pay for them, um, to actually be removed, uh, wet and steady. The wall was knocked down. Speaker 2 00:24:29 The sets were brought out by hand and, and lifted onto a Korean and put in, uh, renovating the entire building. And, uh, the downstairs is going to be a community CAF, which on some days it's going to be pay as you please. So people who are really struggling money-wise if they can't afford a five pound meal, if they have two pound in their pocket, we're not going to turn them away. We're also going to have a community fridge, which people can donate into and then people can pay a donation to take a little bit out, you know, um, and, uh, with, within that, uh, pushed it from the beginning, but we've been working with some pretty, um, um, big, uh, company, uh, like a, a really good, uh, charitable company, um, in new castle. Um, and they've suggested that we use the access to work funding to be able to train people up so they can move into gainful employment. Speaker 2 00:25:23 So the idea of the entire center, um, cause the upstairs will be offices and art studios. We're going to have a bike hub, um, serving coffee, food have restaurant nights have cinema nights and things like that. We already have a community center in the village and we don't want to push that out, but we, we are, um, we're, we've got a different focus rather than just being a commute center. It's a wellness and price center. So the way I think about it in my head is if you're knocked off your feet and you're struggling to get back up, we will get you back up. We will then also dust you off and then we will, uh, push you into the interview, um, or we will help you set up your own business. Uh, and hopefully it will a be a destination for people to come to. Speaker 2 00:26:07 And B it will help people who are really struggling and the people who just want to change a little bit, kind of like what you do with the support and that we will help them to write their first business plan, or we will even help them to, um, hire reasonable offices and things out as well. So, um, uh, I've, I've mentioned today about having a support group for people with hidden disabilities about, uh, employment in working with that. Uh, cause I'm with my charity, I'm actually applying for my first big grant. Um, but it's, it's an art grant. Um, but, um, I've titled it as an isolation poster and it's multifaceted, I'm only hiring people with hidden disabilities. Um, it's going to have a social aspect to it and a social aspect to it because one thing that really annoys me is when people say autistic, that means you're on the social, no air social you idiot. Speaker 2 00:27:03 Um, social is wet and the social is where you're against anybody socializing air socials, where you can socialize in the right circumstance. Um, so I've got a photographer, that's got Emmy, who's going to do a virtual session. Um, I've got the Willow Weaver who makes coffins, uh, she's going to come and do, uh, several, um, Willow even sessions. I've got to meet her tomorrow. I'm putting in a heritage trail and, um, uh, I've, uh, I've met a, uh, an autistic cinematographer again through Pam Lawrence's company. Um, and he's going to, uh, put some short films together for us to help promote and promote the individual businesses. And then as well, we're going to make some small crafting, uh, boxes, um, to be able to give to people who a are still isolated. And then B just do not want to socialize all, uh, very, very air social. Um, and we're going to link this in with the bank as well. Uh, if we, if you want to follow us on social media, it's dead simple. It's the bank chop. Well, um, so yeah, uh, that's more of a plug for that than anything else, but Speaker 0 00:28:11 Yeah, but we love it. We love it. You got you, you are doing some great things and we are loving it. Thanks. Speaker 1 00:28:18 Fantastic. And we want to thank you will, uh, for being with us today. Uh it's. It was fantastic, honestly. Uh, I like you, I think you're all Speaker 2 00:28:29 Right. There's so much I wanted to talk about, but this, you know, it we're all just limited by time to a point. And, uh, yeah, th there is the, the, uh, the woodworking aspect, uh, there's the autism aspect, but there's, as I said, it's the acceptance aspect. And, uh, I think what I said, uh, before we actually started recording was you don't necessarily even have to understand it, um, to accept it. Um, but accepting it is the first step, um, learning about and trying to comprehend it's the next, um, uh, have I got time for one last story about this and it's a, it's about the educational side. Um, I'll try and make it as short as possible. So we, in England, we have a limit of how many, uh, paracetamol, um, uh, I think, I think you'd call it Tylenol in the states. Um, you know, just a basic pain killer, uh, and, uh, we're only allowed to buy two boxes for 36 maximum at a time, just in case we overdose and everything. Speaker 2 00:29:32 So I went to our local, um, convenience store and, uh, I said, um, I said, the ginger success, can I have some promise on, you said how much you won? I said, I'm in the army. Legally, I'll have those. I'm just going to grab some bread. And then this woman behind me said, um, oh, well, I think it's ridiculous. We're limited on a paracetamol, but we're not limited on razors because it only takes one razor, but you have to take a few power symbols. I was, yes. Actually it turns out that you'd have to take between 250 and 300 before we actually initiates an overdose. At which point it puts your body into liver failure, which is about three to four days. Now that's, if you can potentially keep all these pills down because that amount of chalk in your system yet. And at this point I realized everybody in the shops Speaker 4 00:30:15 Looking up, Speaker 2 00:30:17 I'm autistic. I did the math. And, um, Speaker 1 00:30:22 For the razor, I wasn't thinking about that. Speaker 2 00:30:26 Yeah. And ginger behind the counter, uh, yeah. Is, it is the business owner around here is he's kind of has anything, but he turned around and he said, autism, is that why you hear voices? Only when people are talking to me? Yeah. I hear you. I think what you mean is schizophrenia. And I, at that point, um, I, I, somebody on an autism four and I told this story on the autism forum and they said, how offensive, how, how could you not be angry at him and everything I said, because this might be his first time dealing with somebody with autism or it's his first interaction with it. And I chose, yeah, it sounds like a really depressing story, but you know, it's got that twist at the end. Um, but I actually took this moment to try and explain the whim as briefly as I could, and not saying something for me, um, what it meant for me to be autism. And I just said, I have a it's communication. I got hyper focused. And if I want to know something, I research until I know. Yeah. Right. Okay. I just thought it was where you hear voices. And I was like, no, that's a completely different situation. Speaker 1 00:31:35 Don't be offended. If you're offended, you're not going to take the opportunity to help educate. And that's half the, you know, people, people never want to be called out anyway. You know, that, that gentlemen, uh, seems like willing to hear, you know? So it's like, uh, but a lot of people to say, oh, I don't know anything about it. And, uh, I don't want to look embarrassed. You know, it's like, oh man, Hey, you know, if Speaker 2 00:31:58 People don't want to be embarrassed or John Alvis said something good when he, uh, did a piece on, I think it was conspiracy theories, he said, your uncle, who's an absolute dumb-ass. And then later in the piece he goes now, why would your uncle listen to me? I already called him into a mess. And that's the type of British way that you kind of get used to here, but yes. And that's the difference between awareness and acceptance and education over anger. Um, but yeah. Speaker 1 00:32:28 Awesome. I love it. Thank you. Well, thank you very much. Absolutely. Speaker 0 00:32:33 I hope we can keep in touch. Can we? Oh yeah, definitely. Hey, thanks for hanging out with us while we with, well, yeah, it was a good time. We really enjoyed. Will we also need more guests, please sign up to talk about your job on our show. We've made it a lot easier to join us now. Yeah. I had to carve resumes.com. That's carved like carbon name for yourself. C a R V E resumes.com. Click on the podcast link. And at the top of that page, there's just a real quick up your name, your email, and we will get right back to you and schedule your day. Speaker 1 00:33:10 Thanks for being with us. Have a great day.