Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:14 Hi, you're listening to autism on shift the podcast where we talk to other autistic folks. This is Adam. This is Nora. Join us.
Speaker 1 00:00:25 That is all
Speaker 0 00:00:28 Today. We're talking to Jennifer de Caesar, who is a running coach. Tell us about being a running coach, Jennifer
Speaker 1 00:00:36 And welcome. Hi, hi, um, being a running codes, um, narrow down, like that's a really big question.
Speaker 2 00:00:48 Well, how'd you get into it in the first place. So let me come in. Does it something you've how long have you done that?
Speaker 1 00:00:54 Um, I've been a coach in the fitness world in some form or another for going on eight years now. Okay. I just recently became certified to be a running coach in the last couple of months, but I've been running since college. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:01:13 So you started off doing your own running. What did you, what did, what was your event? Did you have like a particular one?
Speaker 1 00:01:22 Um, I'm an ultra distance runner, so I run distances greater than the marathon fancy. Wow.
Speaker 2 00:01:30 So like, I didn't want to just do marathons. I just want to be a little bit better than that guy going to go all the way.
Speaker 1 00:01:37 I've never actually raced a marathon. I have one scheduled for this may COVID pending, but
Speaker 2 00:01:43 We should do better. Cause I used to do track and like I would do the 400, but my coach would have me do like the 1500. That's what I ran and ran and ran. So I'd be ready. And then I could just sprint the 400. Is that similar to what you do with the, like the longer distances and then you do something shorter?
Speaker 1 00:01:59 It's very different. It's so different because well, most ultra distances are on trails. Okay. And I primarily am a trail runner. I hate road running actually. So the fact that of running a road marathon really just doesn't make sense to me, but, um, it's just a totally different approach to training and everything than it is in the trail world. We spend a lot of time walking in ultra distances. Interesting. Um, walking's totally acceptable when you're running 50 plus smiles. Wow. A lot.
Speaker 0 00:02:39 Okay. So when you're, when you're training somebody,
Speaker 1 00:02:42 Yes. Um,
Speaker 0 00:02:44 How, I mean, do you train people in ultra distance or are you just train anybody running, whatever.
Speaker 1 00:02:51 Enjoy. I specialize in trail and ultra distances. So I do have a couple of clients who just run trails that are not necessarily ultra distances, but they only run trail. And then most of my clients are ultra distances or looking to get into ultra distances. Very cool. Is that I only train, let's say I only trained women.
Speaker 2 00:03:14 Oh, cool. Is there a reason for that? Because men suck. Oh, sorry.
Speaker 1 00:03:21 I mean yeah. In a sense you kind of do, um, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:03:24 That's fair. That's fair. She called you guess what? I'm I wouldn't we always said in our relationship, I'm more like the female, you're like more like the male. So I guess she's talking to you
Speaker 1 00:03:37 Actually, it's a biological thing. So it really isn't the biology of women in running is very different from men and there's a whole lot more that needs to go into women than men that men just don't get. Okay. Sorry, but you don't have a uterus.
Speaker 2 00:03:57 I don't, I can see how that is a factor. Yeah. It never occurred to me cause I don't run.
Speaker 1 00:04:05 So it changes a lot of things. There's hormones to take into consideration. There's the differences in anatomy, um, can actually seriously affect running style and training. Um, there's the whole pre post partum aspect of it as you know, not, not everybody's a mom, but a good majority of us are, you know, at some point or become a mom. And there's that whole aspect of keeping a woman healthy around all of that.
Speaker 2 00:04:32 Wow. So that's, I mean, that's pretty in-depth then. So where did you get, uh, where did you do your training to get your certificate? That sort of, you know, that stuff, that part aspect.
Speaker 1 00:04:43 Yeah. So for the running coaching, I am certified through the United endurance coaching Academy. Okay. I'm sorry. United during sports coaching Academy. I remember the, the acronym is USGA much easier to remember than the full name. Um, so I'm double certified in just their general run coaching. And then I was their first female to be certified under their ultra running coaching that launched just disk January.
Speaker 2 00:05:09 Okay, awesome. Thank you.
Speaker 1 00:05:12 And then I also have a background. Um, I went to school for science, so I have a degree in chemistry, but the history and biology and biochem. And then I am certified to the national Academy of sports medicine and personal training and the American sports and fitness association as a personal trainer and a sports nutritionist as well.
Speaker 2 00:05:31 Boy, you didn't really do much with your life so far. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 00:05:38 I can make you feel really bad. I graduated college at 19.
Speaker 2 00:05:42 That is awesome. Good for you. I'm impressed. Nice. Did you start college early or do you just run through it a little bit?
Speaker 0 00:05:58 A little
Speaker 1 00:05:58 Bit about, I never ran until college. So, you know, that kind of just makes the pen a little more funny. I graduated high school at 16 and then I went into college with the intent to slow down and take like five years to finish my degree. And then, you know, you're walking into your advisor's office and they're like, you're done next semester and you kind of looking at me like, no, I wanted five years and they're like, no, you're done. And I'm like, okay, I guess I've done this year.
Speaker 0 00:06:27 Wow.
Speaker 1 00:06:29 So that's just kind of happens.
Speaker 0 00:06:31 That's really cool. Um, I wanted to, I wanted to kind of, uh, swing back around. I wanted to ask if there's a time component to ultra distance, what do you mean? Like, like with a marathon, right? Like you run a very specific distance and that distance is like, you, you, you meet that distance at a time and then you're like, and forgive me for sounding completely ignorant because I totally am
Speaker 1 00:07:02 It's okay. Okay. So, um, I'll try to break this down a little easier to understand it. So I think what you're trying to say is that for say a marathon distance. Um, so for example, my marathon, I'm hoping to do, what's called Boston qualifying. So there's the Boston marathon, which pretty much everybody's at least heard of. Yeah. And in order to race, the Boston qualify, the Boston marathon, you have to have a qualifying race time. So for me to qualify, to even try to run the Boston marathon, I need a three hour and 30 minute marathon D or faster. Okay. So that's kind of the timeframe for a marathon for an example. Um, obviously there's plenty of people who run it slower and way faster than that.
Speaker 1 00:07:49 And ultra run is like another category of time when we talk like let's 50 milers have, um, somewhere between a 12 to 16 hour cutoff depending on the race and the course. Um, and then like my hundred miler from last fall had a 36 hour cutoff. And then they kind of backtrack it to like 36 hours as a cutoff to the finish line. But then there's aid stations or like stops to get food and water and help with first aid stuff in between. And on at least like usually the second half of the aid stations, they'll have a cutoff time that correlates with that final cutoff time for the end of the race. And you need to be under those cutoffs the entire time to be allowed to finish, or they will pull you from the race and not let you cross the finish line for safety reasons,
Speaker 0 00:08:40 For safety reasons. Explain that if you don't mind,
Speaker 1 00:08:44 Um, when you're out running for a really, really long time, a lot of things happen including, um, a lot of physiological things like not eating enough, not drinking enough, getting your electrolytes imbalanced, and then come things like sleep deprivation and hallucinations. Um, it can go, you know, broken legs. Um, someone just won a race with a broken nose down in Texas a couple of weeks ago. So, um, if they get, when we're talking ultra races, especially up in the mountains, they get pretty serious. And a lot of the mountain races are you're dealing, not just with like the fact that you're running in the mountains, but like with you're running in the mountains, you also have elements. So you have heat, you have cold, you have the fact that it's probably gonna rain, snow hail. I don't care if it's August, it might snow on you. Um, thunder storms, you have the technical terrain, you have wildlife to deal with like the wildlife. Doesn't just not show up because you're running a race. There's plenty of images out there of like bears chasing renters in the middle of the race.
Speaker 0 00:09:52 That's funny. Wow. That'll get you to the front.
Speaker 1 00:09:56 I saw a cow on my last race, you know, just hanging out, ran through some ranch land stockout
Speaker 0 00:10:03 Mo tell me you moved at it because that's the real nice. I love it. It's so awesome. It's a universal truth. You gotta move the cow. You know, all the cows and the roads are like, we hate that when you move at us, probably
Speaker 1 00:10:20 Although cows are really sweet animals. I mean, I could go out on like this totally long run. I used to live on a ranch and we had cows and you know, I've been licked from head to toe, by a cow.
Speaker 0 00:10:27 That's funny. Wow. It wasn't like one big lick though, right?
Speaker 1 00:10:34 Oh, like a hundred. It wasn't, it wasn't one sitting. Oh wow.
Speaker 0 00:10:40 The things kids do. I guess
Speaker 1 00:10:43 I was definitely an adult, but the cow was a kid.
Speaker 0 00:10:46 Oh, well then he was cute. It makes sense.
Speaker 1 00:10:49 He needed some love. I was, you know, petting and cows like scratches too.
Speaker 0 00:10:53 Nice. I saw a cow being born once my uncle great uncle had a farm in queen Creek and we would go every week to get fresh milk. Oh yeah. The cream off the top fast milk. Yes. Raw on processed right from the cow. Best milk ever. Yup.
Speaker 1 00:11:15 I do miss that milk. That was my favorite thing about living on the farm. That and the broccoli. It's the best freaking taste in broccoli I've ever had.
Speaker 0 00:11:23 Oh, I am. Yes. I'm super picky about broccoli.
Speaker 1 00:11:27 That's grown in comedy or is delicious.
Speaker 0 00:11:30 Yes. I believe you. It sounds, it sounds funny to say
Speaker 1 00:11:36 Like broccoli from the grocery stores. It's kind of like green water. Yeah. But like this actually had like flavor to it. Like you didn't need to season it. It was good broccoli. Like it didn't need seasoning to be edible.
Speaker 0 00:11:49 And I want to hear, I am the pickiest person on the, when it comes to broccoli, I will. That's true. I, there is one brand that frozen broccoli, right? Like I don't have any farms near me to go get broccoli regularly, so I'd get it frozen. And there's only one brand that works and I eat it every day. Every single day I have the autistic same food thing. Like that's just what I do. And it has to be that. And if they're out, I will go store to store, to store, to store and I will buy up all of their bags of the same problem.
Speaker 2 00:12:20 Yep. And we have an extra freezer. I think there's probably 10 bags of broccoli because it's like the one that we go to, for some reason, for the last like three times, they're like, Oh, we're out. And so now we have like 10 backup bags in our, in our like big freezer in our garage. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:12:38 Yeah. That sounds about right. You kind of bring up something that like, it's funny. Um, like with autism and running, um, I actually had a friend of mine when he found out that I was autistic and had ADHD. He's like, Oh, that's why you're such a good runner. And it was actually kind of like in a good way, but hilarious. Cause it's like, like there's some like unwritten rules when you're a runner, especially a distance runner. Like when they stop making your favorite pair of shoes, you buy all the pairs of shoes left in your school.
Speaker 2 00:13:05 We were literally just talking about this yesterday. I was talking about this, a pair of Adidas shoes, go ahead.
Speaker 1 00:13:10 Or like I have four of the same water bottle. Yeah. Like you have to have duplicates because things break things ruin. Like you're going to be in the middle of the race. You need to swap your shoes out. I want the exact same. I don't want to put on a different shoe. I want to put the same shoe on just fresh. Um, same with socks. And so, yeah. Um, and then there's the whole eating factor, especially around racing. Like one of the biggest things is like, well, when you run an ultra distance, you need a real breakfast, like a Hardy breakfast. Like you're gonna be out there on your feet all day long. And yeah, we eat the same thing. Most of us do. There's a few weirdos out there, but like, you got to have a trusted breakfast that, you know, you can go to this breakfast every single time, no matter what, and you're gonna be able to run and not puke. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:13:59 What is, what is the magical same food breakfast for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:14:06 Um, I like muesli with cashew yogurt, chocolate chips and Apple.
Speaker 2 00:14:12 Nice. Yeah. That sounds pretty good. It's a little bit of dessert scattered into. Yeah. Yeah. It makes it that much better. I think dessert should be every meal. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:14:25 Yes. I totally chocolate for breakfast.
Speaker 2 00:14:27 Nice chocolate pancakes. Yet. I do that when we go like vacation, relax, throw some chocolate chips in that pancake. Why not? Yeah. No reason. Why not? Go ahead. Do you want to tell him?
Speaker 0 00:14:41 No, I was just, I was just going to ask, um, you did mention, um, a background at some point or certification at some point in the nutrition part of this all. Oh yeah. Yes. So, um, can I, you to kind of, uh, elaborate on that because I'm fascinated about what nutrition is required for someone who runs for such a long time.
Speaker 1 00:14:59 Um, the number one challenge is, especially for females is to not eat enough. Um, we're just, society has crammed in a, so much. You supposed to be skinny and blah, blah, blah. And you have to eat, you know, restricted diets and it's like, would you please just go have the damn pizza?
Speaker 1 00:15:22 You want a burger you're done running. He just ran 20 miles and you're craving a burger. You probably need a burger, go have a burger. Um, he usually tells you what's up. Yeah. So like, that's the number one challenge I see in women is that they just flat out don't eat enough, myself included. I struggle with that and not gonna lie. Um, and then like, I mean, yeah, you want to eat a well balanced diet, get all your nutrients, fruits, veggies, et cetera. But that only matters like on your regular days. So on long training run days, you know, you're gonna be out there for 20 plus miles training or on an actual race day that kind of all goes out the window. You have your set breakfast, you may or may not have a set I'm done racing meal. Um, but when you're actually out there running really long distances, a lot of times your food needs and wants change in the middle of your run.
Speaker 1 00:16:17 Even if it's something you've done over and over and over again, like you could have something that like, Oh, I've, I've eaten this on every single run for the last 20 training runs and then you're 17 miles. And you're like, that sounds disgusting. So then my role kind of becomes when you're actually like in a super long training run or an actual event, the goal switches over to Jessica in enough calories that you can keep down without getting sick. Um, so a lot of times like we eat Oreos and Coke and bacon and cheeseburgers and tortillas and case ideas and some of us eat fruit and other stuff in the middle of like, that's what we eat during a race. Wow. Um, and Ultra's a lot, depending on the race, like they will actually like have different themed aid stations. Sometimes it's like, you'll have your bacon aid station. We'll have like 17 different ways to serve bacon or you'll have your waffle aid station Wellville. We'll literally be making fresh waffles for you with maple syrup. Like no joke. This happens during our races. And um, a lot of people call, especially like the a hundred mile distance. It's not a hundred mile race. It's a hundred mile eating contest.
Speaker 0 00:17:28 I think I should get in on a racist just for like the food and you know, items. I love food. I will not run out of miles for 20 miles, but a hundred miles is a long run, two miles for any kind of me, not you. My, my normal, my
Speaker 2 00:17:50 Normal work week is about like 140,000 steps. But it's nowhere near the kind of, you know,
Speaker 0 00:17:57 Oh yeah. Your last work week was over two marathons in five days.
Speaker 2 00:18:01 Yeah. But it's not like one consistent run. You know, I do work 12 hour shifts, but still it's not the same, but like a hundred miles
Speaker 1 00:18:10 And it's not on technical terrain and gain another 20 plus thousand feet of vertical gain. My gosh.
Speaker 2 00:18:18 Yeah. No, Nope, no, we're close.
Speaker 0 00:18:23 So, so terrain, that brings up an interesting question. How do you train for something that, I mean, that sounds like if you're running, that sounds dangerous. How do you, how do you,
Speaker 1 00:18:36 Um, you train, uh, one of the things, um, you know, the whole practice makes perfect, well, practice definitely doesn't make perfect, but practice definitely helps.
Speaker 2 00:18:47 We always came up with the practice promises improvement.
Speaker 1 00:18:51 Yeah. I like that one. Um, that's I kind of almost need to write that down. Um,
Speaker 2 00:18:57 We don't like practice makes perfect. Mine's more alliterative though. Okay. Sorry to interrupt you. Practice promises progress. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 1 00:19:04 Yeah. Practice. <inaudible> what was it? Progress who I liked that really liked that I'm going to have to steal that. So terrain is so variable and depending on who you are and what you're raising, it can be really difficult. So usually for ultras, I at least try to recommend that somebody starts with something local because it's going to be more likely that something local is something that they can train for the terrain. Um, the more experienced you get, the more you can just bounce around different terrains and have the train itself have less of an impact on your running or your body. So like if I'm running something that's super Rocky, it can turn over and translate to something that's tree rooted because your general concept is you pick up your feet, no tripping on a rock and tripping on a true root are pretty similar.
Speaker 1 00:20:00 They're not identical. Like one's a little bit softer ground. One's harder ground always. But the concept of picking up your feet and like learning how to dash lines in, in between the terrain is pretty much the same overall. So again, it's just practice. The more you can get out on terrain, similar to your race, the better, but a lot of people don't have that opportunity, especially if they're traveling for their race. So then it's comes down to, okay, well, what can I get that similar? Or are there certain factors I can change in a sense to help me pretend to practice? It's like if you're heat training for a race, but you live somewhere it's really cold. Like how many layers can you throw on to run to act like it's hot, interesting type thing. So, and like terrain is usually viewed as kind of just the ground, so to speak in running.
Speaker 1 00:20:56 Um, so then there's also all the other environmental factors of the weather and the temperature and the humidity. No, I'm in Colorado. It's pretty dry this year. Our biggest challenge was all the fires. The air was extremely smoky and unhealthy to be out pretty much at all for a good majority of the year. And that made running difficult. So like things that I do like okay to cross train for vertical, challenging in a race instead of out there, actually running up a mountain because it's literally on fire. I am in my basement on a treadmill with a really heavy pack on my back. Just power hiking. Um, cause it kinda, you could tire muscles out faster that way. Um, the pack on your back, your kid though. No, not on the treadmill. If it was out in the mountains. Totally. I backpacked with him 55 miles. So yeah, that was a lot of fun. Awesome. I do a lot of backpacking as personal cross training, um, hiking, power, hiking, anything with a heavy pack on your back is great cross training for ultras. So when you're
Speaker 0 00:22:05 Working with an actual client, um, I'm going to assume if you, if you specialize in ultras, they have running experience, right? Like they don't come to you. Like
Speaker 1 00:22:18 You'd be surprised. Um, there's a lot of people out there who they hear something about the ultra world. They don't really know anything about the ultra world and they think they want to go run the ultra world. And it's like, well, what's the longest you've run my like maybe two miles. I'm like, Oh, let's go straight to the ultra distance, but it's not going to happen this year safely. Yeah. Like if the longest you've ever run into him, I was like, are there people out there who could do it? Yes. Is it recommended? No.
Speaker 0 00:22:51 I mean, if a bear was chasing me maybe,
Speaker 1 00:22:56 Um, well for the most part bears really won't taste good, but I'm safe. I don't have to run unless you're messing with their babies, you know? Yeah. But there's, yeah, there's a, there are a handful of people who try to jump straight into ultras and usually the recommendation is why don't you just try trail running in general first? Um, especially if you've never run trails. Cause the majority of ultra running is trails. Um, there are definitely road ultras out there, but more are trails than not.
Speaker 0 00:23:28 Are there specific trails, like there are trails only for ultra running or are they just like, you know, public land trails that just get used to that?
Speaker 1 00:23:36 Most of the time they're public land trails. Sometimes they get special permits to use private land as well, depending on the race. Um, so a lot of them are in forest service land of some sorts and require just like any event that would happen in forest service land. You have to get permits for any event over a certain number of people. And then most races. This was like the longer they get, the more work there is for a race director basically is to, you have to have permits for all the different lands you're going to cross over like a hundred mile. Can sometimes cross over multiple different like jurisdictions of forest land or private land in which gives you, you have to get special permission. Um, you have to like coordinate with local authorities for security, safety, like that kind of stuff you have to, especially here in Colorado. Um, most races are required to coordinate with search and rescue. Um, there's been a lot of races where search and rescue is needed. Um, and like having medical personnel on site is usually a requirement for a County to grant the permits in the first place. So there's a lot of other factors. I'm not a race director, so I'm sure I'm missing some of it.
Speaker 2 00:24:51 Would you ever want to go that direction? Like eventually they do like run the events and kind of things or is that not even like just curious?
Speaker 1 00:25:00 No, maybe I do volunteer on a lot of them and they're really fun to work. You meet so many different people and it's just like this crazy awesome group of weirdos who all like, like you can have people from all walks of life, but we all have the one thing in common is that we like to run crazy yes. Distances in
Speaker 2 00:25:19 The mountains.
Speaker 1 00:25:21 So it's kind of a really unique community in that sense. And yeah.
Speaker 2 00:25:26 So with everything that goes into one of these who pays for all that,
Speaker 1 00:25:31 Um, it's a conglomeration, um, all races, most races say have a race entry fee, which is paid by the racer or sometimes the racers sponsor, but that's like if you're a pro. Okay. Um, so you are going to pay the fee to race, which will cover aspects of it. Races usually partner with different companies to pitch in on things. So there's different companies that make running food. There's different companies that make running products and they will different races. We'll partner with different companies to get support, whether it's funding support or actually providing some of the food or volunteers. Um, a good chunk of the people who actually work a race are actually all volunteers. And then, especially as you get into higher distances, the most racist actually have a volunteer requirement. Well, they won't let you run unless you've actually volunteered in the last year. You have to have it like signed off, um, to kind of keep the circle going. Basically.
Speaker 2 00:26:34 How, how do you, like, how do you market yourself? Like, I mean, you said people find you and don't necessarily know, I guess I'm wondering like how do people find you or do you, are you marketing yourself or is it, how does that work? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:26:49 This is my weakness. Um, I don't like marketing. It's not what I'm in this for. I'm not in this to market. I'm in this to coach and run. I don't like marketing that being said. Um, so far all of my clients have actually come to me via some, like, I've never like reached out to somebody and be like, Hey, you want to come work with me? And they said, yes, like, yeah, that's I haven't done any of that. Um, like a word of mouth kind of thing. So kind of like a word of mouth. I've got a couple of clients, like we're in, there's a lot of groups on Facebook and kind of like California found me is I, um, you know, talk in different running groups and you know, it got brought up that I'm a coach on somebody's post and somebody else saw that comment on that post and reach out to me like, Hey, I saw your coat on this size. And like, I want to talk to you. And then down the line, we go
Speaker 2 00:27:39 Something you want to grow though.
Speaker 1 00:27:41 It is, um, I want to grow it, but not a ton yet. Okay. So I know that sounds kind of weird, but like I want to keep it small, small and personal so that I can actually work like with my client, not just hand them a piece of paper and send them on their way.
Speaker 2 00:28:01 Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Right. So
Speaker 1 00:28:03 I don't want a ton of clients because I want to be able to keep it personal. I want to be able to build that relationship. And I am a full-time mom. I have that job. My son is with me. Full-time all the time right now. I've kind of got the side benefit of COVID making dad work at home. But outside of that, normally he would not be home. So I have to kind of keep that in mind as I grow is that I am also a full-time mom.
Speaker 2 00:28:28 Let's bring in, um, the autistic component here. Okay. Um, let's first talk about what, you know, what parts of autism that you have to overcome in order to do what you do.
Speaker 1 00:28:42 Okay. Well, I think my biggest challenge is partially that I'm both autism and ADHD, um, because I can hyper focus in squirrel at the same time.
Speaker 2 00:28:56 So you're going to put that. I like that.
Speaker 1 00:28:59 So I'm an example for myself from this summer, which it wasn't work-related but well, it's still work related. Actually. I was getting ready for a backpacking trip with my son. Okay. And which is still work-related in my mind. Um, absolutely. I was focused on getting the sleeping system sorted out because it's trying to figure out something new. It was going to be cooler than I normally go. And I was like trying to like spend some extra time focusing just on the sleeping system and in the I'm focused and all of my brain is still focused on the whole backpacking trip, but there's still the squirrel in the back of my head going, don't forget about food. Don't forget about this clothes. Don't you, you need socks. Don't forget about that.
Speaker 1 00:29:42 Trying to focus on one thing at a time. It's like, well, we're focusing on the whole backpacking trip you've showed up. Yeah. I mean, that argument happens a lot in my head. So, um, sometimes when I'm working on a client plan, I will be like working on say like writing out the strength component of like cross-training for forum. And then something will pop into my head and be like, Oh, they need to do this Hillary Pete, or don't forget to have them run this thing. Or don't forget to write down this nutrition info. And it's just like, it's all related. And I'm still focused in on that one client's plan, but I'm still squirreling at the same time. So do you guys have like, do you just have like an extra arm making notes? I have about 17 notebooks in the notebook. Um, I found this app called Google keep, cause they use the Google workspace business and I figured out you could like take pictures and put them in a file within the notes app. And I'm like, Oh boom, they're there. So like I can scribble one client's information in seven different notebooks and then put them together in seven different notebooks
Speaker 2 00:30:59 Coordinate label. I love, we love both Keith.
Speaker 1 00:31:02 Yeah. But you know, it helps sick. I will definitely write stuff down on seven different notebooks and be like, crap, how do I put this all in one without rewriting? It that's that has so far been my solution. Nice.
Speaker 2 00:31:14 So on the, on the opposite spectrum there, uh, what helps you, you know, with having autism? Like what helps you, how does it help you? Like get some of those things completed, which I think you guess you've probably said the hyper-focus maybe.
Speaker 1 00:31:28 Yeah, I really good at hyper-focusing. I just also scroll at the same time I scroll within my hyper-focus, um, verb
Speaker 2 00:31:37 Now, by the way, squirrel being a verb.
Speaker 1 00:31:41 Yes, yes, yes. Um, it's also become my nickname. Nicknames. I have like seven that are adults, not including my kid ones. Um, anyway, squirrel. Oh, what helps me poker is I try to keep to-do lists. Okay. With deadlines. Doesn't always work
Speaker 2 00:32:09 Know w we noticed just putting things on the calendar, like in having an idea that we're going to do something, but we put like, you know, if it's going to take a half hour, we say sometime between one and four, but it's on the calendar. We don't check it off until it's like, we take it on. So
Speaker 1 00:32:24 Yeah. So something like that, I kind of do, um, I have like a, I found an old steno notebook. Okay. Um, so the two columns I'm using one column as a to-do list and one column as a deadline, and then it scratch it off when it's done. I'm like, all right, done on notebooks, still valid.
Speaker 0 00:32:44 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:32:44 I have a whiteboard. Well, right now I have a poster board, which is being replaced by a whiteboard. Um, and then I'm very much so like a calendar person. I've got like my personal running calendar over here and then I've got like file. I'm like just, I'm a little bit OCD there too. Um, which is good because I can find everything. Um, if I can't find something is like a super problem. Um, right. It's like everything has its file and its spot. And if it's not in it's spot, I lose my phone a lot Threatened to get me a beacon for my phone, for my birthday. And then when he didn't get me one, I was actually really disappointed.
Speaker 0 00:33:27 I was like, I thought you were gonna get me a DMP,
Speaker 1 00:33:32 But that's it like, I think so the other things too, that help, um, and I'm actually pulling this out of my friend's conversation with me once he found out, he's like, well, that explains so much about you. I'm like, well, what do you mean? He's like, well, you can like memorize an entire trail course after looking at it for like three seconds. And then, you know, the course off the top of your head for like the rest of your life. I'm like, Oh yeah. So like, um, you know, I've probably got like 17 different courses just for this year. Like on the top of my head. And I could just like, my, my brain kind of operates like a filing cabinet and I'd be talking to somebody they're like, well, what about this race? And I'm like, hold on, let me go access that filing cabinet in my brain.
Speaker 1 00:34:08 Okay. You've got this much elevation and this much for it. And your aid station is at mile seven and 19. And it's just like, kind of like bubbles out, um, the autistic memory I do. And I don't, it's great when you can access it. Um, I have this really weird photographic memory where I can re so like for me, I can look at something I can read it. I'll be good. I will remember it, but like say I'm taking an exam block. I won't tell you exactly what page of the book and what paragraph on that page it is. But I can't read it to tell you what it says,
Speaker 0 00:34:48 Oh, my never been wrong
Speaker 1 00:34:51 About what page or what paragraph is on. That's just, I don't know what it says.
Speaker 0 00:34:54 Oh, no, but when you're not taking the exam, you remember what it says? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 00:34:59 Uh, yeah. For the most part or at least like, or I remember what it says, cause I don't need to go look it up because
Speaker 0 00:35:06 Yeah, my God for open book exams. Yes, mine is kind of, mine has an intention component. Um, I can remember just about anything I need to, I just have to tell myself in that moment that I have to remember it. If a piece of information floats by me and I don't intend to remember it, it's gone. So like when I say doing the dishes tonight, exactly. That's gone, gone, gone. But if I'm reading something or looking at something or someone tells me like their name, you know, I have this thing about people's names. Like I get him to get names.
Speaker 2 00:35:46 You gotta put, you gotta put like a thing to it. You know? Like they actually seen it.
Speaker 0 00:35:51 What works for me is saying it twice. The moment you meet them. So like, I meet you. And of course, I'm not going to forget the name, Jennifer, but you know, say we, we meet in person and you introduce yourself to me. I'm like, Jennifer, it's so nice to meet you, Jennifer. Thank you. And then I make sure that I say your name at least twice in the same, like, you know, ten second thing. And it's there. Interesting.
Speaker 2 00:36:13 The bitch Malcovich Malcovich
Speaker 1 00:36:16 Oh, that's funny. But yeah. So I can, I just, that kind of helps with the, the running and with the coaching, because like I could pull all of these maps and courses and memories of where is an aid station and where's this water crossing or, I mean, there are, when it comes to training, I'm like, Oh, I'll just go run this, this, this and this. And I'm like, wait, what? And I'm like, Oh, sorry. I'll put it on a map for you.
Speaker 2 00:36:45 You don't see them at two that I saw in my, Oh,
Speaker 1 00:36:47 Um, it, it could be, it's very helpful, but it can also be problematic because, um, I remember all these maps and everything and I can access them on foot. Don't ask me to drive. I need you to be, I, or I can get you there, but I couldn't give you instructions. Like if you put me in the passenger seat, I would not be able to get you there. But if I was the one driving, I could totally drive you there by memory. Like, I just might not know the address or the street names or anything else, but I know where I'm going. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:37:20 Nice. I'm like that. I can't people around here. Uh, we used to live on the West coast and then we live in the East coast and now everything over here was like numbers, but they have the names because they used to because it's been around. So there was, it was routes. It was route numbers at first and now they're street. Yeah. Well, everyone uses the route numbers because they've lived here forever, you know, or their parents did and everybody, their whole life,
Speaker 0 00:37:45 I'll just take the four 19 down to the sheets and turn left. I'm like,
Speaker 2 00:37:48 Yeah. When we first moved here where like, uh, just past the old Oak tree that used to be, you know, you're like what? I've looked at 10 years, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1 00:37:57 I grew up on country directions. So, you know, it's like turn left at the Y and go past the haystack and get to the barn. I though like, just like translate it to trail. It's like, okay, go until the trail takes a why take the right. Follow it until you find the crooked tree looks for the blue diamond, three feet past the water crossings here. If you cross a bridge across the wrong water crossing, I find my wind candles. You can see this mountain up here. This mountain should be behind you when you turn this way.
Speaker 2 00:38:32 Hey, whatever works, I guess tomato, tomato Fe for five.
Speaker 0 00:38:38 Yeah. I still need GPS. I mean, we've lived here 10 years and I still need GPS sometimes to get some places.
Speaker 2 00:38:44 Well, yeah. Well, I drive a lot for living now. So I've figured that
Speaker 1 00:38:49 I need GPS for places that like stress me out. Yes. It's like going into downtown. Like I need GPS to go downtown. Not because I don't know where I'm going, but because it gets so stressed that I forget, like I hate driving downtown.
Speaker 0 00:39:03 What stresses me is, is parking. I need to know where the parking is. Do you have a parking lot? If not, where should I be going? And how far is it? Like it's I don't know why, but it gives me so much anxiety. If I don't know where I should be parking when I go somewhere,
Speaker 1 00:39:18 Because you got to know where the fuck you going. And that's where you're going. You're not going, you're not driving to the place if you're not actually parking there.
Speaker 2 00:39:24 Right. So you might end up right in it. And if you get a stressed out too much car right through the front,
Speaker 0 00:39:30 I couldn't figure it out. Okay. My GPS told me this is where it was going. I'm here. So, so let's talk about the future of your business. We talked a little bit about, um, you know, uh, growth happening very slowly. Right. But, um, yeah. Um, what does it, what does it look like? What does the future look like for you?
Speaker 1 00:39:57 I have no idea.
Speaker 0 00:39:59 Okay. That's fine.
Speaker 1 00:40:01 Yeah. I know where I want to go like in the next year. Okay. That's about it. Um, after that, like there's some opportunities that are kind of like floating right now that I'm kinda trying to look into to see like, do I want to grab it? Do I want to do more with it? Do you want to go take it out? I don't know. Like trying to just kinda figure some of that out.
Speaker 2 00:40:23 Does it fit in with the running or something?
Speaker 1 00:40:26 All of it's some something related to running one way or another. Um, and then I also have like my own crazy dreams with running, um, for myself that are personal. Um, so I would like to through hike the Colorado trail, which is approximately 500 miles with my son. Um, I'd like to do it next year. He turns five next year. So I'd like to finish like right around his birthday. Okay. Awesome. Uh, probably finished. We'd be finishing a little bit after his birthday. There was no way we'd get it done by his birthday, but that would be like, that's something I'd really like to do. And then, um, more, more, just like, so lope personally, cause I would like to run the entire continental divide trail from New Mexico to Canada. That is approximately 3,100 miles. Wow.
Speaker 0 00:41:17 Wow.
Speaker 2 00:41:20 Thank you very much for joining us today.
Speaker 0 00:41:21 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. I think that's, I mean, that's the time we have, but um, you know, we appreciate talking to you. We appreciate your time and uh, we're super excited to learn about what a running coach does and it was awesome meet you.
Speaker 1 00:41:34 Thank you so much. It was so neat to be on a podcast for my first time. So thank you very much. Well, that was a good time. Thanks for joining us, everybody.
Speaker 0 00:41:44 Yeah, it was. We want to do that with you as well. Absolutely. You want to tell us about your job? We'd love to hear it. We might actually, uh, have a good time. Oh, you'll have a good time. We are cool and weird. Join us at, uh, carved resumes.com. Fill out the contact form. Tell us, uh, your job and we'll take it from there by now.
